Abro este post para ir concretando cosas. No quiero centrarme en ningún juego, sino cimentar unas bases históricas para luego adaptarlas a cualquier juego.

Lugar: Hispania
Periodo: siglo V d.C.
Facciones: Hispanorromanos, Ejército romano, bagaudas,suevos, vándalos, alanos y godos.
Miniaturas: Musketeer, Gripping Beast, West Wind...
Recursos:
-El ejército visigodo: http://www.artehistoria.jcyl.es/histesp/contextos/5953.htm

Una buena fuente de información sobre el tema que nos atañe la podemos encontrar en http://www.celtiberia.net/
Lo malo es que es una web que, por decirlo de algún modo, podría estar presentada y estructurada de una forma más clara.

Propongo ir añadiendo todo el material de referencia que vayamos encontrando en el post inicial de jorge808

PS. A todo esto, ¿existe algún material por ahí (tipo Osprey o algo más serio) sobre los suevos?

Lista del DBM. A no ser que alguien me corrija, creo que es algo en lo que basarse (ya he dicho que yo de la época, ni idea)

Citar82. LATER VISIGOTHIC 419 AD - 720 AD
Warm. Ag 1. WW, Rv, H(S), H(G), Wd, O, V, RGo, Rd, BUA.
C-in-C - Irr Kn (F) @ 19AP 1
Sub-generals - Irr Kn (F) @ 19AP 0-2
Bucellarii - Irr Kn (F) @ 9AP 3-5
Gardingi - Irr Cv (O) @ 7AP 10-28
Spearmen - Irr Wb (O) @ 3AP 12-60
Archers - Irr Ps (O) @ 2AP or Irr Bw (I) @ 3AP 12-20
Slingers - Irr Ps (O) @ 2AP 0-5
Romans - up to l/3 Reg Ps (O) @ 2AP, rest Reg Ax (I) @ 3AP 0-15
Fleet - Irr Bts (O) @ 2AP [Wb (O)] 0-4
Fleet crews - Irr Wb (O) @ 3AP 1 per Bts
Only before 466 AD:
Burgundian allies - List: Burgundi or Limigantes (Bk 2)
Only from 466 AD:
Regrade Romans as - Up to l/3 Irr Ps (O) @ 2AP, rest Irr Sp (I) @ 3AP All
Only from 469 AD to 584 AD:
Suevi allies - List: Early Frankish, Alamanni, Quadi, Suevi, Rugian or Turcilingi (Bk 2)
Only from 493 AD to 526 AD:
Ostrogoth allies - List: Italian Ostrogothic (Bk 3)
Only from 550 AD to 554 AD:
Byzantine allies - List: Early Byzantine (Bk 3)
Only after 621 AD:
Downgrade sub-generals to ally-generals - Irr Kn (F) @ 14 AP All
Basque cavalry - Irr LH (O) @ 5AP 0-2
Basque javelinmen - Irr Ps (S) @ 3AP or Irr Ps (I) @ 1AP *4-6
Basque slingers - Irr Ps (O) @ 2AP 0-2
Regrade spearmen as Irr Sp (I) @ 3AP All
This list covers the Visigoths from the establishment of their Tolosan kingdom in south-western Gaul, though its
extension into Spain, 469 - 478 AD, and the loss of the Gallic provinces to the Franks in 507, to the Islamic conquest;
and then the vassal kings Aquila (711-713) and Ardo (713-720). Bucellarii were the nobles' well-armoured followers.
Gardingi comprised minor royal officials, lesser gentry and followers in more traditional Gothic equipment, but now
relying more on skirmishing with javelins than on a fierce charge. The initial settlement gave the Visigoths control of
the former Roman garrison. These degenerated into city militia, but can still be traced up to the end of this period. Ps
(O) archers can give rear support to Sp and Ax of the same nationality. After 621 foot were increasingly recruited from
conscripted slaves. The army was finally crushed by Berber infantry in 711, according to a later source after both wings
deserted on the battlefield. Visigothic allied contingents need not include otherwise compulsory foot. The Byzantine
allied contingent sent by Justinian I to assist Athanagild in a civil war made extensive conquests in Spain, but then kept
them. Byzantine allies need not include any infantry. The minimum marked * applies only if any Basques are used.
Only the C-in-C can command Basques.

Vándalos

Citar66. EARLY VANDAL 200 AD - 442 AD
Cold. Ag 3. WW, Rv, H(G), RGo, M, Rd, BUA.
C-in-C - Irr Kn (F) @ 19AP 1
Sub-general - as above 1-2
Noble cavalry - Irr Kn (F) @ 9AP 0-5
Warriors - Irr Wb (O) @ 3AP 54-150
Skirmishers - Irr Ps (S) @ 3AP 0-15
Set-up wagon laager for camp - TF @ 1AP 0-16
Only in 291 AD:
Gepid allies - List: Gepid (Bk 2)
Only from 406 AD to 409 AD:
Burgundian allies - List: Burgundi or Limigantes (Bk 2)
Only from 406 AD to 420 AD:
Alan allies - List: Alan (Bk 2)
Only from 406 AD to 427 AD:
Suevi allies - List: Early Frankish, Alamanni, Suevi, Rugian or Turcilingi (Bk 2)
Only after 420 AD:
Remnant Alans - Irr LH (S) @ 7AP 0-6
Only after 427 AD:
Moorish allies - List: Later Moorish (Bk 2)
This list covers the Vandals from their first appearance until Gaiseric's consolidation of their African conquests and
construction of a fleet. During this time, they crossed the Rhine into Gaul in 406 AD, continued on with their Alan and
Suevi allies across the Pyrenees into Spain in 409 AD, were driven out by the Visigoths and finally crossed to Africa in
428 AD, taking Carthage by treachery in 439 AD. Vandal ally contingents can include wagon laager.

Cita de: Endakil en 17 Abr 2012, 14:35
PS. A todo esto, ¿existe algún material por ahí (tipo Osprey o algo más serio) sobre los suevos?

De Osprey tengo el de Carlomagno, que es conseguible. El "Carlomagno" de Alessandro Barbero traía cosas sobre el ejército franco. Digo yo que los francos bien pueden ser una de las facciones, a menos que se nos salga del margen temporal...

La Desperta Ferro Nº1 traía cosas sobre los godos y el ejército tardorromano.

Un hilo muy interesante, con bibliografía, sobre los suevos en Galicia.
http://www.elgrancapitan.org/foro/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=17140&hilit=godo

Suevos

Citar72. EARLY FRANKISH, ALAMANNI, QUADI, SUEVI, RUGIAN OR TURCILINGI 250 AD to 496 AD, 506
AD, 406 AD, 584 AD, 487 AD and 493 AD.
Cold. Ag 3. WW, Rv, H(S), H(G), Wd, RGo, M, Rd, BUA.
C-in-C - Irr Cv (O) @ 17AP or Irr Wb (S) @ 15AP 1
Sub-general - as above 1-2
Noble cavalry - Irr Cv (O) @ 7AP 0-5
Foot warriors - Irr Wb (S) @ 5AP 34-92
Archers - Irr Ps (O) @ 2AP 0-10
Skirmishers - Irr Ps (S) @ 3AP 0-10
Plashing or abatis within wood - TF @ 2AP 0-6
Only Quadi:
Upgrade cavalry to Irr Kn (F) @ 19AP if general, 9AP if not Any
Only Alamanni:
Downgrade foot warriors to archers - Irr Bw (I) @ 3AP or Irr Ps (O) @ 2AP 10-30
Only Alamanni from 270 AD to 271 AD:
Quadi allies - List: Early Frankish, Alamanni, Quadi, Suevi, Rugian or Turcilingi (Bk 2)
Only Alamanni in 286 AD:
Burgundian allies - List: Burgundi or Limigantes (Bk 2)
Herul allies - List: Early Ostrogothic, Herul, Sciri or Taifali (Bk 2)
Only Franks before 362 AD:
Alamannic allies - List: Early Frankish, Alamanni, Quadi, Suevi, Rugian or Turcilingi (Bk 2)
Only Alamanni before 362 AD:
Frankish allies - List: Early Frankish, Alamanni, Quadi, Suevi, Rugian or Turcilingi (Bk 2)
Only Franks after 358 AD and Alamanni:
Boats - Irr Bts (O) @ 2AP [Wb] 0-2
Only Quadi from 373 AD to 375 AD:
Sarmatian allies - List: Siracae, Iazyges, Later Rhoxolani Sarmatian (Bk 2)
Only Alamanni in 406 AD and Suevi from 406 AD to 416 AD:
Vandal allies - List: Early Vandal (Bk 2) Alan allies - List: Alan (Bk 2)
Only Suevi in 419 AD:
Western Roman allies - List: Late Imperial Roman (Bk 2)
Only Suevi in 471 AD:
Sciri allies - List: Early Ostrogothic, Herul, Sciri or Taifali (Bk 2)
All these German tribes repeatedly attacked the western Romans and the first two finally took over most of Roman
Gaul. The Franks proved the most successful in the long run, absorbing most of Alamannic Gaul in 506, after which the
enlarged Franks are covered by a separate Middle Frankish list (Bk 3). Suevi was a collective term for the German
tribes of the upper Danube, most importantly the Marcomanni, Quadi and some of the Alamanni, that invaded across
the frozen Rhine in 406, crossed into Spain in 409 with the Vandals and an Alan contingent and set up a kingdom in its
north-west corner. This was absorbed by the Visigoths in 584. The rest of the Alamanni went no further than Gaul and
were absorbed by the Franks in 506. Suevi can use Alamanni and Quadi options, but not vice versa, and each only in
one ditTerent command. The Rugians were based in Bohemia and vanish from history after a crushing defeat in 487 by
Odovacar's relic Roman mercenary army while invading lllyria. These tribes had abandoned the earlier German light
framea for heavier throwing weapons that could ruin a shield or penetrate armour. The Franks used the francisca
throwing axe that gives them their name, and a heavy throwing spear called the angon. The others each carried several
heavy throwing spears called bebrae. However, Alamannic graves often have only bow plus axe or knife and in 354
their archers stopped a Roman river crossing. Alamanni are described as "dyeing their hair red, according to their
custom". The Turcilingi are associated with the Rugians in Roman service, so may have been similar. The Franks were
the dandies of the German tribes, dressed in tight garments in bright colours, but apparently ruined the effect with their
"hairy shoes". Cv can always dismount as Wb (S). Alamannic Ps (S) can support Alamannic Cv. Quadi nobles were
equipped in Sarmatian style with kontos and horn armour and charged furiously. Burgundians must be used if Heruls
are. Roman allies cannot include any mounted troops. Ammianus and Sulpicius describe Alamanni and Franks using
felled-tree abatis to block roads within woods or fortify woods as a refuge or ambush. These are treated as plashing.

Alanos

Citar58. ALAN 50 AD - 1500 AD
Cold. Ag I. Rv, H(G), RGo. Only after 400 AD: also H(S), Wd, BUA.
C-in-C - Irr Kn (F) @ 19AP or Irr LH (S) @ 17AP 1
Sub-general - as above 1-3
Nobles - Irr Kn (F) @ 9AP 0-24
Cavalry - Irr LH (S) @ 7AP 20-50
Axemen - Irr Bd (I) @ 4AP 0-16
Archers - Irr Ps (O) @ 2AP 0-10
Set-up wagon laager for camp - TF @ 1AP 0-12
The Alans were the most easterly of the Sarmatian nations and the most durable, occupying the northem part of the
lands between the Black Sea and the Caspian at least until the end of our period, subjugated in turn by the Huns,
Khazars and Mongols, but always re-emerging. This list starts with their first appearance in this homeland. They
differed from the other Sarmatians in being blonde instead of dark, and in that not all ever became armoured lancers.
Arrian's 2nd century AD "Order of Battle Against the Alans" assumes that all Alans will charge, but will be vulnerable
to infantry missiles while doing so, which implies that most did not have horse armour. Some did, since it was reported
later among Alans settled in Brittany. Elsewhere, Arrian says of Roman cavalry "some carry conti and charge in the
Alan and Sarmatian fashion". Alans were still charging desperately against the Catalan company in the 14th century,
although by then certainly mostly light horse. Although not themselves especially aggressive as a nation, they
frequently sent contingents to help others that were, leading to various short lived settlements of conquerors or foederati
scattered over the later Roman west and in due course absorbed by neighbouring cultures. They are typified by
Claudian as the "restless Alans". Thus, while they are listed as having no allies, they appear as allies in several other
lists. Alan ally contingents can include nobles, foot and/or wagon laager.

Listas genérivas Godos, Vándalos, Suevos

Visigodos
Héroes, caudillos, abanderados, religiosos
Bucellarii (Kn)                                 3-5               (1)
Gardingi (Cv)                                  10-28      (2-4)
Spearmen (Wb)                          12-60      (2-10)
Archers (Ps)                            12-20      (2-4)
Slingers (Ps)                              0-5               (0-1)
Romans (Ax)                            0-15              (0-2)

Vándalos
Héroes, caudillos, abanderados, religiosos
Noble cavalry (Kn)                         0-5              (0-1)
Warriors (Wb)                                  54-150      (6-20)
Skirmishers (Ps)                          0-15              (0-2)

Suevos
Héroes, caudillos, abanderados, religiosos
Noble cavalry (Cv)                         0-5              (0-1)
Foot warriors (Wb)                        34-92      (4-15)
Archers (Ps)                             0-10               (0-2)
Skirmishers (Ps)                          0-10               (0-2)

Alanos
Héroes, caudillos, abanderados, religiosos
Nobles (Kn)                            0-24      (0-4)
Cavalry  (LH)                          20-50      (4-6)
Axemen  (Bd)                          0-16      (0-2)
Archers  (Ps)                             0-10      (0-2)

Los números a la derecha son las bases para DBM y entre paréntesis, una simplificación (a ojo) para unidades en juegos de escaramuza

Hispania 409-426 d.C.

Acordaos luego de poner sugerencias "miniaturiles".

Cita de: tonijor en 17 Abr 2012, 16:27
Acordaos luego de poner sugerencias "miniaturiles".

Para miniaturas:
Musketeer http://www.musketeer-miniatures.com/#
Godos/Germanos, romanos, bizantinos, musulmanes

Gripping beast  http://www.grippingbeast.com/shop.php

¿Alguien tiene algún enlace sobre el ejército romano en la península? ¿y los bizantinos?

Para Bizancio y Roma hay varios libros conseguibles de Osprey, "Byzantium at War AD 600-1453" y "Romano-Byzantine Armies 4th-9th Centuries", "Late Roman Infantryman 236-565 AD" . Buscaré luego enlaces para páginas, que ahora mismo no tengo sobre el tema.

Ese ultimo yo lo tengo, por si a alguien le interesa.

Para los romanos en la península he encontrado ésto de la Notitia
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/luke/ueda-sarson/ComesHispenias.html

Pero según he podido leer, no está claro que estuviesen éstas fuerzas en el momento de la llegada de los invasores y que de hecho fueron los visigodos, como aliados romanos, los que entraron tras ellos para expulsarlos.

Pero también ésto:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geroncio
Lo que podría explicar la relación de fuerzas anterior

A ésto tendríamos que añadir las rebeliones Bagaudas http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagaudas

He ido encontrando algunas cosas:

Fuerza numérica de los ejércitos romanos tardíos
http://www.fectio.org.uk/articles/numbers.htm

Jerarquía en los ejércitos romanos tardíos
http://www.fectio.org.uk/articles/ranks.htm

Organización militar del Imperio Romano Tardío y los pueblos bárbaros
http://usna.edu/Users/history/abels/hh381/late_roman_barbarian_militaries.htm

Scholae
http://www.fectio.org.uk/articles/scholae.htm

Sobre romanos hay mucho, vale (lo cual SIEMPRE está bien pues Roma Tardía es mi periodo favorito del Imperio). ¿pero sobre el resto? Es lo que más me escama...