Necesito ver el emblema con el perro de los escudos epirotas para copiarlo en mis hoplitas. Buscando por internet, y gracias al Europa Barbarum, he encontrado lo siguiente: Me podeis confirmar si es este? Conoceis algun otro?

A la izquierda, en verde y en el escudo del falangita de elite:
http://www.europabarbarorum.com/factions_epeiros_units.html

Un saludo y gracias

Yo el que he visto por otros lados es ese también Lo que ya no conozco la historia de porque tienen ese escudo, estaría bien que si alguno la conoce lo ponga, que por lo menos a mí los epirotas me gustan mucho

Aparte del escudo del perro tambien estan el monograma de Pirro sacado de una moneda de la epoca (Enlace) y hay referencias a una unidad de elite de piqueros macedonios que se pasaron a su bando, estos con escudos blancos (Enlace).

Europa Barbororum es una buena fuente de referencias, han hecho un trabajo de documentación magnífico.

En efecto el perro es el símbolo más popular. Si te pica un poco la curiosidad yo apostaría a que de hecho se trata de un moloso epirota: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloso_(perro)

Los simbolos que aparecen en el europa barbarorum son inventados, por lo menos que digan de donde lo han sacado??.
Tengo uno de los pocos libros que estan escritos sobre pirro (moderno) y no dice nada de los escudos ni simbolos.

Saludos

FAQS sobre Historia del EB:

II Historic

Q: I've never heard of unit/faction/name X. I can't find it online. Where did you find it?
A: Most of our sources are primary archaeological and textual evidence. We have people reading and examining this evidence in period languages. We consider secondary evidence as well. However, many of our sources are found in places that only academics will be able to access, and a few have not even been published yet. Our goal is to be as accurate as possible, not to please those who want to be able to find what we describe on Google.

Q: Why are the Gauls called Aedui / Arverni and the Germans called Sweboz?
A: In Europa Barbarorum, all factions are named as they named themselves in history. The Celts living in what is today France, never called themselves "Gauls". They were in fact no united nation, they were a mixture of different Tribes.
The Aedui were one of the major tribes (ruling complete Gaul for a short time), who were opposed by the Arverni Federation. (For more Details please read "Gaius Julius Caesar: De Bello Gallico")
The Sweboz were one of the bigger Germanic tribes, who possibly were able to unite all tribes (proudly represented by the Eleutheroi).
The same applies for Getai, Casse and Sauromatae.

Q: What are mnai?
A: In EB the Rome TW currency Denarii is replaced by the more historically accurate mnai or minae. A mnai is 1/60 of a talent (Greek: talanton). The talent was once a Babylonian weight unit, and varied much over time and in the places it was used. In the 3rd century BC contracts between Rome and Qart Hadasht, the Attic/Euböic talent is used, which amounted approximately 27 kg. During the EB timeframe there were two major types of currency systems in use in the Mediterranean region:

Attic
6 obols = 1 drachma
100 drachmae = 1 mnai
60 mnai = 1 Talent

Qart Hadasht / Ptolemaic Egypt
60 shiqlu = 1 mnai
60 mnai = 1 Talent

Q: Why did you add so many provinces to area X, which was of lesser importance?
A: Due to the limits on province number, not all cities that are wanted can be added to EB. The area might be unimportant to your faction, but it was important to some faction. EB seeks to represent all cultures (including "barbarians") equally.

Q: I think you should have more provinces in densely populated areas, why didn't you do this?
A: See above.

Q: Why does faction X have province Y? Why doesn't faction X have province Z?
A: Factions will be given starting positions that are true to history.

Q: Where is the Lorica Segmentata?
A: Lorica Segmentata wasn't used until several years in AD. This places Lorica Segmentata out of the EB time frame and to include it would be ahistorical.

Q: Where are the "Imitation Legionaries"?
A: "Imitation Legionaries" are military units that fight in the "Roman" fashion. Inthat they wore chainmail and threw a javalin weapon before charging for melee combat. This style of combat developed independenly in the east and when Roman writers witnessed it they described it as "Imitation Legionaries".

Q: Why doesn't Koinon Hellenon's hoplites use the phalanx formation.
A: The overhand hoplite formation represents the "classical hoplites". This type of combat was used before the sarissa phalanx and relies on pushing. Because of the required flexiblity, animation, and speed, the EB team has opted to make the "classical hoplite" the way it is.

Q: Why can't I build ships in my ports?
A: EB has restricted military ship construction to places that have good shipyard harbours and the resources to build large quality ships. Updated map here.

Q:Why can't I build any ships in the Caspian area?
A:Because historically the area was more an amalgam of mercantile and commercial interest as well as adding to the fact that the northernly reaches were sparsely populated steppes, which further diminished the competitive factors and rather bolstered local enterprises. While there was certainly a local industry for building transporters and such to a lesser extent, and some scant trade by sea, no Parthian city in the area supported any significant port, and there was no economically competitive nor significant factor in the northern reaches, thus as a consequence there is no reason to expand any industry of transporters beyond local needs, let alone vessels of war or to drastically change economical prospects that historically remained the same for several centuries. Out of all the great waters, the Caspian Sea, beyond rich stocks of fish (The famed Persian sturgeon), and in spite of rich coastal areas, in particular the fertile Albania and well-watered Hyrcania famed for her dense forests, clearly did not carry the same potential as the Black Sea or the Persian Gulf. Add to the the fact that the Sarmatians to the north did not share the same taste for commercial enterprise as the Parthians to the south. Hence, the Caspian area is not very lucrative at all in matter of trade. You can still build sizeable places of trade, but not beyond the possibilities for expansion, let alone a base for a navy.


Por cierto, cuando te bajas el mod puedes instalarte un pedazo de enciclopedia cojonuten 

Bueno, yo los que he señalado los he sacado de "Armies of the macedonian and Punic Wars" de D. Head y "Warlord Armies" de T. Newark.
Lo del perro en realidad no me suena, pero no queria ir de demasiado purista .

De paso dejo estos enlaces:
Este es de un forero de Roman Army Talk, reenactor de pirricos para mas señas: Enlace

Aqui una aportacion de Bill Sumruld de Fanaticus:

CitarSome of Pyrrhos troops were Macedonian Pikemen, so they should probably have the Macedonian star, or maybe the star with surround. He also seems to have armed some of his own Epirots with pikes. Perhaps, these troops'shields should be enblazoned with his famous epigram and surround. It can be found in AMPW 40e. Other than this possible difference, they were not unlike other hellenistic pikemen in dress. Dionysios of Hallikarnassos mentions mentions one of Pyrrhos'Companion Cavalry having a dun cloak and AMPW seems to guess that this with a white tunic may have been uniform for this unit. Pyrrhos'own helmet was claimed to have a white crest and two goat horns. AMPW offers a version of this in 34a. At Heraclea, after almost being killed by a Roman officer, Pyrrhos is said to have exchanged his gold-edged purple cloak, ornate armor, and elaborate helmet for a dun cloak, plain curaiss, and felt kausia (Macedonian style hat) from one of his Companions. The kausia could have been purple since these were often given as rewards by Macedonian-style Hellenistic kings. This use of Kausia in battle may indicate that Pyrrhos'companions were not uniformly equipped. For the most part his troops should be Hellenistic Greeks in appearance with the same colors and equipment favored by such armies. He will not have Prodromoi, since these lance armed light cavalry were unique to the Macedonians. He could have, in the second option for his army, shielded ("Aspis"-Hoplite shield) light cavalry in crested attic helmets and simple tunics armed with javelins (usually referred to as Tarrantines).

Buenas aportaciones pero en ningun lado pone que el moloso fuera el simbolo de epiro ni del rey pirro.

Saludos

Gracias por la informacion y los enlaces. El escudo en blanco me parece un poco soso, pero el otro del elefante esta muy logrado. Tambien me gusta mucho el moloso del escudo verde del europa barbarum, que aunque no se confirme su autenticidad, un perro quiza es lo que mas suena como simbolo, ademas de que como digo, a mi me gusta mucho.

Creo que copiare ese para los hoplitas (en fondo blanco y el perro en color terracota), y usare el motivo del escudo del elefante para la tela que lleva el mio.

Los piqueros los he pintado todos con la estrella macedonia, que ademas se ser probable por varios motivos, me valen perfectamente como macedonios.

Saludos, yo pensaba que el perro representado era Cancerbero.

Si acaso sería separado, el can Cerbero Aparte de que tendría múltiples cabezas si fuese él, al menos es lo que decía la mitología.

Si realmente el escudo ese es de verdad sería un moloso, un tipo de perro, que curiosamente su nombre viene de una región del propio reino de Épiro

Tarde, pero mira qué bonito: